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TCC Minutes December 3, 2001

TCC Minutes December 3, 2001



City Council Chambers---------City Hall
MONDAY, DECEMBER 3, 2001 - - - - - 4:00 P. M.

Brent Hardwick
LeAnn French
Edward Ginter, Chairman
Vince Buck
Patrick Robeson
J. Michael Cochran
Sean Francis, Vice Chairman
Robert Hodson, Director of Engineering
Mark Miller, City Traffic Engineer
Dave Langstaff, Traffic Eng. Technician II
Teri Carlson, Sr. Traffic Engineering Aide
Lt. Greg Mays, Police Department
Susan McGraw, Recording Secretary


Chairman Ginter called the meeting to order at 4:05 p.m.


Minutes were unavailable for the November 5, 2001, meeting.



City Traffic Engineer Mark Miller presented staff's report regarding consideration of a request for an adult crossing guard at the intersection of Camino Centroloma and Conejo Lane. Mrs. Barbara Davis requested that a study be conducted to determine the need for a crossing guard at this location. She also submitted a petition signed by residents in the area.

Camino Centroloma is a north/south residential street adjacent to Sunset Lane Elementary School. Conejo Lane is an east/west residential street. Staff's investigation of both streets determined that all signing on both streets indicate they are properly posted and marked for various school crossings. This intersection is currently controlled with four-way stop signs, and sight visibility is unlimited.

Mr. Miller stated there are four parts to the policy to place a crossing guard. All four warrants must be met to implement this policy:

Part A refers to the suggested Route to School warrant, which is met as there is no possibility of replanning the current route to Sunset Lane.

Part B requires that there is no other crossing within 300 feet of the intersection. The closest crossing is approximately 1100 feet away; therefore Part B of the warrant is satisfied.

Part C requires that a minimum of 30 elementary school aged pedestrians must cross Camino Centroloma or Conejo Lane with at least 500 vehicles per hour crossing the cross walk. Staff conducted a study during school hours and determined that between 2:15 p.m. and 3:15 p.m. 72 school-aged children crossed Camino Centroloma. Between 7:30 a.m. and 8:30 a.m. 34 school-aged children crossed the intersection. At the p.m. peak hours there were 250 vehicles that crossed the intersection, and at the a.m. peak hours there were 259 vehicles. The number of pedestrian crossings meets the required minimum; however, the vehicle count does not satisfy the requirements.

Based on the results of the study, staff was unable to support the request for a crossing guard at this location.

In response to questions from the Commissioners, Mr. Miller advised that cross walk lines were added to the south sides of the intersection; accident history is normally only reviewed for the past 12 months, but in this case staff reviewed 18 months; and crossing guards are trained by the police department as well as by the company from which they are hired.

The hearing was opened for public comment.

Mrs. Davis, 1921 Conejo Lane, stated her concerns for the welfare of the children who cross the street at this intersection. She believes further investigation should be conducted.

Ms. Kit Dameson, Principal at Sunset Lane, advised that school staff members are present at dismissal time, one in front of the school and another at the crosswalk on Sunset Lane.

The public comment segment was closed.

Commissioner Hardwick observed that more enforcement by police would help with the situation. Lt. Mays responded that one in every ten cars did stop at the crosswalk indicating that failure to stop at a stop sign is the reason for issued tickets, not speeding.

Commissioner Robeson stated that the problem appears to be caused by the parents themselves when dropping off and picking up their children because they are in a hurry.

Chairman Ginter disagreed and offered that the presence of a crossing guard would be a visible reminder to help control violators.

Commissioner Buck stated that crossing guards have been placed at locations having fewer vehicles; and at Laguna Road School, which had fewer students utilizing the crosswalk.

Commissioner Francis concurred that this issue is more of an enforcement problem, as did Commissioner Cochran, who also suggested that another review be conducted at a later date.

Commissioner Hardwick made a motion to accept staff's recommendation to deny the request for a crossing guard at this location. Commissioner Cochran seconded and the motion was carried on a vote of four to three with Chairman Ginter and Commissioners Buck and French opposed.


Traffic Engineer Miller presented a request to remove and replace existing "No Parking Anytime" restrictions on Valencia Mesa Drive between Bastanchury Road and approximately 400 east of the centerline of Bastanchury Road with "No Stopping" between the hours of 7:00 a.m. and 9 a.m., and 2:00 p.m. and 4:00 p.m., Saturday, Sunday, and Holiday exempt.

Staff received a request from the City Manager's office on behalf of some local residents requesting that the staff look at illegal parking, blocking of driveways, U-turns, and more. Although this area is designated as "No Parking", staff found that a few of the "No Parking" signs are missing or are covered by trees. After reviewing the area and talking with the local residents, staff determined that "No Stopping Anytime" is more appropriate.

Mr. Miller stated that he has a meeting scheduled with the superintendent of the high school to discuss the District's traffic study of the school parking lot. Students have been parking in front of local residents' homes, continuously littering the neighborhood. Mr. Miller explained the difference between no parking and no stopping. "No Parking" means a driver can pull over and stop, load and/or unload, and leave. "No Stopping" means do not stop.

Chairman Ginter asked if the developer for the Amerige Heights project was still considering egress from the high school parking lot through the development. Mr. Miller stated he does not know what the study will recommend. There is a proposed parking lot along Bastanchury Road on the north side, having an entrance and exit at Parks Road. The City required an easement from the developer on the north end of the school property.

Commissioner Buck asked what the situation is on Bastanchury and Parks. Mr. Miller said that currently there is one "No Stopping" sign at the corner of Parks/Bastanchury and another at the corner of Warburton/Bastanchury. However, parents still stop and allow their children to run across Bastanchury Road. Commissioner Buck asked at what distance is the amount of "No Parking" and "No Stopping" signs have to be posted. Mr. Miller said that there is not a rule, it depends on the width of the street and the side distances at the intersections. Commissioner Buck asked if it is legal to stop at the block of Bastanchury. Mr. Miller said that it is legal to stop where there are no signs posted. Commissioner Buck feels that this is not adequate signing and says that there are two separate problems one being in the morning and the other at night. He says that the littering is being done at night not in the morning. Lieutenant Mays stated that officers are rotated from school to school in order to regulate vehicle codes.

Commissioner Buck asked Mark Miller if the parents and school have been notified about the changes for "No Stopping". Mr. Miller said that the parents and school have not been notified.

The hearing was opened to public comments.

Cameron Irons, 1241 West Valencia Mesa Drive, was concerned about the U-turns being made on his driveway. If he does not leave his car in his driveway, it is used for at least 40 U-turns each morning. He suggested that the City install a triangular median allowing a right turn only. Mr. Cameron also thinks that a "No U-turn" sign will help solve the problem.

Monica Wilson, 1308 Valencia Mesa Drive, has not observed any stopping or parking problems. She has noticed the problem to be vehicles lined up in the street not moving at all. She is concerned that if "No Stopping" signs replace "No Parking" signs, students will loiter in front of her house. She does not think that a "No Stopping" area will solve any problem, but will push the problem from one neighbor to another neighbor.

Duke Cole, 1344 Valencia Mesa Drive, stated he is unable to pull out from his driveway in the morning. He feels that a "No Stopping" sign will help his problem.

Kay Ziler, 1252 Valencia Mesa Drive, stated that the U-turns are very dangerous. She has witnessed many accidents due to the U-turns being made on top of the hill.

James Kim, 1300 Valencia Mesa Drive, would like the proposal to be modified for "No Stopping Anytime" on Valencia Mesa from Bastanchury to Euclid.

Staff advised that there have been two broadside accidents in 2000 and one in May 2001. One accident was 500 feet from Valencia Mesa Drive on Bastanchury, another was 300 feet from Bastanchury Road, and another was 1300 feet from Bastanchury Road. There have not been any complaints on Valley View.

Commissioner Francis made a motion to accept staff's recommendation to remove no parking and include no stopping from 7:00 a.m. to 9:00 a.m. and 2:00 p.m. to 4:00 p.m. for 400 feet from Bastanchury Road. The recommendation was also amended that the no right turn on red be eliminated to relieve some of the wait on Warburton, and that the City Council authorize the Director of Engineering to have the authority to extend the restriction to Euclid. Commissioner Robeson seconded the motion, further suggesting that the a.m. hours be deleted from the recommendation. Staff advised that the no turn on red restriction provides an opportunity for northbound Bastanchury left turns into the school.

Chairman Ginter restated the amended motion, which failed for the lack of a second.

Commissioner Cochran made a motion to accept staff's recommendation to remove "No Parking" signs and post "No Stopping" signs from 7 a.m. to 9 a.m. and 2 p.m. to 4 p.m. for a distance of 400 feet from the center of Bastanchury Road. The motion passed with Commissioner Buck opposed.

Commissioner Francis excused himself from the following item due to a conflict of interest.


Traffic Engineer Miller introduced staff's recommendations to implement 2-hour parking and restrict overnight parking within the public parking lot on the north side of Santa Fe Avenue approximately 350 feet west of Harbor Boulevard. The lot is currently under construction, and no restrictions are in place. Staff is requesting these conditions because of the area usage, which would preclude long-term and overnight parking. Mr. Miller advised that this lot will not become a parking district.

The hearing was opened to public comments.

No one wished to address this item, and the public comments segment was closed.

Commissioner Buck made a motion to accept staff's recommendation. Commissioner Robeson seconded the motion, which passed unanimously.


City Traffic Engineer Miller informed the Commissioners that several options are available for consideration regarding the citywide overnight parking ordinance.

Option 1 - maintain the existing ordinance, which includes the right for consideration of an exemption on a case by case basis.

Option 2 - remove the ordinance from the Municipal Code.

Option 3 - retain the existing ordinance, but remove the option for consideration of an exemption.

Option 4 - authorize staff or the Transportation & Circulation Commission to approve case-by-case requests for exemption under strict guidelines.

Option 5 - institute a permit program tailored to accommodate the needs of Fullerton residents.

The Police and Engineering departments support Option 4. Director of Engineering Hodson stated that the citizens of Fullerton have voted three times to keep this ordinance in effect; a permit system would be overwhelming; clarification is needed regarding definition of one- and two-car garages.

The hearing was opened for Public Comment.

Mr. Bill Slausenburg, President of Shadow Lane Homeowners' Association, inquired of Lt. Mays why the Police department opposes a permit system. Lt. Mays stated that the department is short-staffed and it would be time-consuming to verify a permit for each vehicle.

In response to a question from the Commission, Mr. Salusenburg stated that the Homeowners Association had not exercised its option to appeal the overnight parking ordinance because they are satisfied that non-residents are unable to park in the cul-de-sac. A permit system would be welcomed and residents would be willing to pay $25-$50 for a permit.

The public comment segment was closed.

Commissioner French made a motion to accept staff's recommendation to pursue Option 4. Commissioner Cochran seconded the motion, which failed on a vote of 3 to 3.

Commissioner Hardwick made a motion to direct staff to request a roundtable discussion to include the City Council, the T&CC, and staff. Commissioner Buck seconded the motion, which passed unanimously.


Public comments will be allowed on matters not appearing on the agenda but within the Commission's jurisdiction.


The meeting was adjourned at 6:50 p.m.